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		<title>Open Government and PDF</title>
		<link>http://shebanator.com/2009/11/02/open-government-and-pdf/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daring Fireball just linked to two equally foolish articles about how PDFs are &#8220;bad&#8221; for Open Government. The premise of these articles is that the world would be a much better place if all governments would publish all of their information on the web in HTML or XML. You know what else would make the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=shebanator.com&blog=997359&post=274&subd=shebanation&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="SF link two" href="http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/11/02/foresman-adobe-formats">Daring</a> <a title="DF link one" href="http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/11/02/adobe-open-gov">Fireball</a> just linked to two <a title="Sunlight Labs whining about PDF" href="http://sunlightlabs.com/blog/2009/adobe-bad-open-government/">equally</a> <a title="Ars Technica whining" href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/adobe-pushes-flash-and-pdf-for-open-government-misses-irony.ars?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=rss">foolish</a> articles about how PDFs are &#8220;bad&#8221; for Open Government.</p>
<p>The premise of these articles is that the world would be a much better place if all governments would publish all of their information on the web in HTML or XML. You know what else would make the world a much better place? Unicorns.</p>
<p>The issue at hand is not whether governments should pick HTML or PDF. The issue at hand is whether governments are capable of publishing information <em>at all</em>. Show me an HTML creation tool that creates high quality, standards conformant markup from a Word document or any of the zillions of editing tools that government employees use. Now add in all the tools used by people who submit documents to the government. And all the versions of those tools released in the last 20 years. Now make sure that the HTML/XML works correctly even when the user doesn&#8217;t have the right browser or the right fonts installed. Guess what? There are no such conversion tools available. And who would pay to make sure that everyone had access to these tools and knew how to use them correctly?</p>
<p>Creating PDFs is trivially easy for all these cases, whether you use Acrobat or something built into your OS. It works regardless of what tool was used to create the content in the first place, and it works on pretty much every OS out there and on mobile.</p>
<p>HTML/XML Standards nerds should get a grip. They aren&#8217;t even in the running to compete with PDF here.</p>
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		<title>On Evangelism and other Isms</title>
		<link>http://shebanator.com/2008/12/29/on-evangelism-and-other-isms/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I discovered the other day that James Plamandon had started a blog discussing the art of Platform Evangelism. James has achieved a modicum of infamy when some of his work came to light during the Iowa antitrust case against Microsoft. As it happens, I know James from our days together at Apple. He is an [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=shebanator.com&blog=997359&post=216&subd=shebanation&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <a href="http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/12/unearthing-microsofts-shilling.html">discovered</a> the other day that James Plamandon had started a <a href="http://platformevangelism.spaces.live.com/blog/">blog</a> discussing the art of Platform Evangelism. James has achieved a modicum of infamy when some of his work <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071023002351958">came to light</a> during the Iowa antitrust case against Microsoft.</p>
<p>As it happens, I know James from our days together at Apple. He is an exceptionally smart guy and quite the character. I remember reading his presentation at the time of the trial and marveling at it’s sarcasm, its cynicism, its far-reaching vision, and, most importantly, its lack of ethics. Given that I’d just spent two years at Adobe battling with Microsoft on a variety of issues, it was amazing to see how many of those tactics Microsoft were still a key part of Microsoft’s arsenal.</p>
<p>One of the more interesting posts on James’ new blog explains <a href="http://platformevangelism.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!37F174267DC274C!155.entry">why he is coming forward now to write a new blog</a>. In it, he says:</p>
<blockquote><p>First, the global financial melt-down forced an epiphany. We at Microsoft always felt that we were on the side of free markets and unfettered capitalism—you know, the Good Guys. But so did the guys at Lehman Brothers, <span class="caps">AIG</span>, Fannie Mae, and all of the other failed financial institutions. Even Alan Greenspan, the High Priest of free markets, has had to concede that there’s “a flaw” in free market economics—a flaw that led directly to the current financial collapse.</p>
<p>My belief that I was one of the Good Guys was similarly flawed. This is now inescapable. I was wrong. Many of the TE practices that I developed, taught, and espoused were wrong. Anyone who continues to practice them is wrong. As a first step towards making amends for my past wrongdoing, I must make this clear, and widely known.</p></blockquote>
<p>Its great to see that James has recognized the error in his ways, at least in part. But I found it telling that the global financial melt-down is what forced James to have an epiphany. You see, when I knew him, James was a die-hard libertarian<sup><a href="#fn1">1</a></sup>. The kind who would always drive 90 <span class="caps">MPH</span> on the freeway <strong>on principle</strong>. His reference to Alan Greenspan here is not just a comment on the economy – Greenspan was a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan">member of Ayn Rand’s inner circle</a> and as such is one of the heroes of the libertarian movement. I suspect he is one of James’ personal heroes as well.</p>
<p>But what both Greenspan and James fail to have done is to connect the dots: the “flaw” in free market economics is actually the fatal flaw that occurs whenever someone tries to apply a pure philosophy to the real world: people and organizations do not act consistently with philosophies. In the case of libertarianism, the flaw is that self-interest is rarely enlightened, and people can rationalize <strong>anything</strong>.</p>
<p>James’ strategy at Microsoft was a case in point: they rationalized that what they were doing was justified because the markets reward the strong. The irony, of course, was that they were <strong>not</strong> acting in an enlightened way: monopolizing the market did wonders for Microsoft’s revenues and share price in the short term, but the damage done to the overall market for computer software was immense. In the longer term, this will hurt Microsoft more than it ever helped it, and in fact you could argue that Microsoft’s stock price malaise the last several years was a direct result of the market ossification that occurred.</p>
<p><sup>1</sup> I use the term loosely, encompassing both libertarianism and objectivism. Wikipedia has lots of information on the many variants of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian">libertarianism</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)">objectivism</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism_and_Objectivism">the arguments between the two camps</a>.</p>
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		<title>Mozilla TraceMonkey speeds javascript</title>
		<link>http://shebanator.com/2008/08/25/mozilla-tracemonkey-speeds-javascript/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it is very cool how much progress is being made on Javascript performance in both Firefox and Safari &#8211; very exciting times. It will be interesting to see if/how/when Microsoft can step up to the bar. It&#8217;s also cool how the Mozilla/Firefox effort was fueled in part by the donation of Tamarin and [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=shebanator.com&blog=997359&post=194&subd=shebanation&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is very cool how much progress is being made on Javascript performance in both Firefox and Safari &#8211; very exciting times. It will be interesting to see if/how/when Microsoft can step up to the bar.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also cool how the Mozilla/Firefox effort was <a href="http://andreasgal.com/2008/08/22/tracing-the-web/">fueled in part by the donation of Tamarin and Tamarin Tracing</a> to Mozilla. I hope this collaboration can continue to be productive.</p>
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		<title>Silverlight: lead pony or stalking horse?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 02:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article about Novell&#8217;s Moonlight project made me giggle (via Hack The Planet &#8211; hi Wes!). I was wondering just the other day about how Miguel de Icaza, a very smart and talented guy, ended up in a career spent developing one Microsoft-clone project after another. Evolution, Gnome, Mono, Moonlight. Just think what he could [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=shebanator.com&blog=997359&post=176&subd=shebanation&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This <a title="ZDNet on Moonlight" href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2445">article</a> about Novell&#8217;s Moonlight project made me giggle (via <a title="Hack The Planet" href="http://wmf.editthispage.com/2008/05/20">Hack The Planet</a> &#8211; hi Wes!). I was wondering just the other day about how <a href="http://tirania.org/blog/">Miguel de Icaza</a>, a very smart and talented guy, ended up in a career spent developing one Microsoft-clone project after another. Evolution, Gnome, Mono, Moonlight. Just think what he could have done if he had tried to do something new.</p>
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		<title>IE8 passes Acid2</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congratulations to the IE team on making IE8 pass ACID2. The IE Blog post goes on and on about why backwards compatibility is so important to the IE team. You can skip all that and just read the last three paragraphs before Dean Hachamovitch&#8217;s signature. Bottom line is this is a big milestone for the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=shebanator.com&blog=997359&post=150&subd=shebanation&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to the IE team on making <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/19/internet-explorer-8-and-acid2-a-milestone.aspx" title="ie8 acid2 announcement">IE8 pass ACID2</a>. The IE Blog post goes on and on about why backwards compatibility is so important to the IE team. You can skip all that and just read the last three paragraphs before Dean Hachamovitch&#8217;s signature. Bottom line is this is a big milestone for the web, and it will be an even bigger milestone when they ship the thing. Still waiting on word about more support for the other standards they&#8217;ve been ignoring/sabotaging for years, like ECMAScript, but I&#8217;m not holding my breath.</p>
<p>My favorite smart-aleck comment was from <a href="http://twitter.com/mezzoblue/statuses/515684312" title="Dave Shea on twitter">Dave Shea</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p> IE8. Acid2. Better bundle up, it&#8217;s a cold one in hell today.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Adobe&#8217;s Christmas Present for Mobile Developers</title>
		<link>http://shebanator.com/2007/12/18/adobes-christmas-present-for-mobile-developers/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tamarin-Tracing: Open source ActionScript3 VM for mobile platforms, contributed to Mozilla&#8217;s Tamarin Project. Written in Forth! I personally can&#8217;t wait to bring our Flex3 apps down to the mobile platform&#8230; [Update 12-19-2007: fixed name of technology. thanks for the correction.]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=shebanator.com&blog=997359&post=149&subd=shebanation&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.onflex.org/ted/2007/12/meet-qvm-new-tamarin-vm-contributed-to.php" title="QVM mobile vm for AS3">Tamarin-Tracing</a>: Open source ActionScript3 VM for mobile platforms, contributed to Mozilla&#8217;s Tamarin Project. Written in Forth! I personally can&#8217;t wait to bring our Flex3 apps down to the mobile platform&#8230;</p>
<p>[Update 12-19-2007: fixed name of technology. thanks for the correction.]</p>
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		<title>The Cynical Side of The iPhone SDK Announcement</title>
		<link>http://shebanator.com/2007/10/19/the-cynical-side-of-the-iphone-sdk-announcement/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Gruber has written an excellent article on the iPhone SDK announcement and what it might mean. I too had wondered whether Apple would try to position Dashboard widgets as the application model for the iPhone, and I’m not yet convinced that this isn’t what they will do. John points out that JavaScript is too [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=shebanator.com&blog=997359&post=144&subd=shebanation&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Gruber has written an <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2007/10/tea_leaf_reading">excellent article on the iPhone SDK announcement</a> and what it might mean. I too had wondered whether Apple would try to position Dashboard widgets as <em>the</em> application model for the iPhone, and I’m not yet convinced that this isn’t what they will do. John points out that JavaScript is too slow on the iPhone to make it an adequate substitute for Cocoa. What he didn’t consider is that Dashboard widgets in Mac OS X can contain native code, and in fact many of the Apple supplied widgets do exactly that. They could do the same thing on the iPhone.</p>
<p>I have to say I’m <em>terribly, terribly</em> hurt that I didn’t get any linkage on the whole ‘iPhone runs as root’ thing. I was <a href="http://shebanation.com/2007/07/10/iphones-lack-of-sdk-explained/" title="Lock of iPhone SDK Explained">way ahead of the curve</a> on that one, and I wasn’t even “hysterical” about it… <em>[this is a joke, for those not attuned to such things]</em></p>
<p>One other cynical point for you, which I didn’t blog about. Why did Jobs put out that letter <em>now</em>, 5-6 months before it will be released? I saw someone arguing on their blog (sorry, can’t remember where) that it was because Apple has realized there are limits to secrecy. Yea, right. I personally think they did it because they see the iPhone hacking culture getting a little too vibrant for comfort, and they wanted to take some wind out of its sails. Why spend your nights and weekends hacking on something when Apple will make it all easy in a few months? Plus there is no longer the thrill of doing something Apple doesn’t want you to do. Will it work? Doubtful.</p>
<p>As a side note, Robert Cringely has written an interesting take on the <a href="http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20071019_003258.html">purported Apple/Google partnership</a>. I agree completely that Apple would never allow a deal where Google got brand supremacy.</p>
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		<title>iPhone SDK: Hallelujah!</title>
		<link>http://shebanator.com/2007/10/17/iphone-sdk-hallelujah/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As reported by Daring Fireball and others, Steve Jobs has posted another &#8220;open letter&#8221; on the Apple Hotnews site announcing that there will be an iPhone SDK after all, next February. Wish there were more details. And of course I have to point out that this is really just a followup to the news announced [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=shebanator.com&blog=997359&post=143&subd=shebanation&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As reported by <a href="http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/october%23wed-17-iphone_sdk">Daring Fireball</a> and others, Steve Jobs has posted another &#8220;open letter&#8221; on the Apple Hotnews site announcing that there will be an iPhone SDK after all, next February. Wish there were more details. And of course I have to point out that this is really just a followup to the <a href="http://shebanation.com/2007/05/30/iphone-may-someday-allow-3rd-party-apps/">news announced last May</a>, but now they are pinning a date on it four and half months away, and more than 9 months after the original announcement they work working on it. Still, it is good to see Apple do the right thing here, especially since I complained so often and so loudly in the past.</p>
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		<title>Good standards</title>
		<link>http://shebanator.com/2007/10/08/good-standards/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A nice post on making standards by Dave McAlister of Adobe: Good Standards. I posted on the same topic last April, and what I said there still stands: Contrast that with the process by which Adobe is submitting PDF to ISO. We’ve bent over backwards to ensure that the submission is as clean as it [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=shebanator.com&blog=997359&post=142&subd=shebanation&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nice post on making standards by Dave McAlister of Adobe: <a href="http://blogs.adobe.com/open/2007/10/good_standards.html" title="Good Standards blog posting">Good Standards</a>. I posted on the <a href="http://shebanation.com/2007/04/24/pot-meet-kettle-microsoft-complains-about-ibm-lobbying/" title="My post on OOXML lobbying and standards">same topic last April</a>, and what I said there still stands:</p>
<blockquote><p>Contrast that with the process by which Adobe is submitting PDF to ISO. We’ve bent over backwards to ensure that the submission is as clean as it can possibly be, and as a result the feedback we’ve gotten has been extremely positive. If Microsoft believes their own stuff is so great, they should follow our lead and make it into a standard the right way: by proving the value of their solution, responding to constructive criticism, and building a consensus.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Mozilla Monkeying Around with Tamarin</title>
		<link>http://shebanator.com/2007/07/26/mozilla-monkeying-around-with-tamarin/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[But in a really good way. Brendan Eich has announced 3 cool new projects around the Tamarin engine Adobe contributed to the Mozilla project: ActionMonkey, which will merge SpiderMonkey and Tamarin. Not really a new project, but lots more details are available. ScreamingMonkey, which will allow Tamarin to be invoked from within IE. Not clear [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=shebanator.com&blog=997359&post=120&subd=shebanation&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But in a really good way. Brendan Eich has announced <a href="http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadmap/archives/2007/07/new_projects.html">3 cool new projects</a> around the Tamarin engine Adobe contributed to the Mozilla project:</p>
<ul>
<li>ActionMonkey, which will merge SpiderMonkey and Tamarin. Not really a new project, but lots more details are available.</li>
<li>ScreamingMonkey, which will allow Tamarin to be invoked from within IE. Not clear to me whether this is really Tamarin or ActionMonkey that gets integrated. Is it &#8220;just&#8221; Tamarin&#8217;s ECMAScript engine, or is there more?</li>
<li>IronMonkey, which is an effort to port IronPython and IronRuby to run on Tamarin.</li>
</ul>
<p>Several people have wrote about this already, most notably <a href="http://intertwingly.net/blog/2007/07/26/Monkey-Business">Sam Ruby</a>, <a href="http://ajaxian.com/archives/mozilla-announces-screaming-iron-action-monkeys-tamarin-in-ie">Dion Almaer of Ajaxian.com</a>, and Adobe&#8217;s own <a href="http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/07/tamarin_develop.cfm">John Dowdell</a>.</p>
<p>These are all very cool projects. Being able to use a modern, high performance ECMAScript engine within IE could be huge. I wonder if this will embarrass the IE folks into updating their ancient JavaScript engine?</p>
<p>But the project I&#8217;m most interested in is IronMonkey. I even talked about wanting such a thing way back in November 2006 in a <a href="http://intertwingly.net/blog/2006/11/09/Tamarin">comment on Sam Ruby&#8217;s blog</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Yes, a Ruby or Python environment that generated AVM2 bytecodes would be awesome as part of Firefox etc. No more need for things like RJS &#8211; just write your entire web app in Rails, using HTML and/or Flash for presentation. </p>
</blockquote>
<p>It is interesting that Mozilla chose to use IronPython and IronRuby as the basis for this work, though. I have a lot of respect for Jim Huginin and company, but using the Microsoft languages means a lot of hassles:</p>
<ul>
<li>since the languages are written in C#, they have to use Mono to compile the compilers. Not a big deal, but yet another dependency to manage.</li>
<li>although MsPL is a pretty open license, I don&#8217;t think the actual source repositories for the compilers allow contributions from anyone other than Microsoft employees. Thus Mozilla is going to have to make a downstream repository and deal with all the version skew issues. Be interesting to see if Microsoft fixes this problem eventually. I hope so. If they don&#8217;t they are missing out on a key benefit of open source.</li>
</ul>
<p>Would have preferred them to use JRuby and Jython as the base, personally. Still, I applaud the Mozilla folks for coming up with such a compelling vision for JavaScript&#8217;s future, and look forward to the day when I can write AJAX apps using Ruby on the client.</p>
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